MSN Home  |  My MSN  |  Hotmail
Sign in to Windows Live ID Web Search:   
go to MSNGroups 
Groups Home  |  My Groups  |  Language  |  Help  
 
A Church to enjoy> IVY RIDGE CHAPELachurchtoenjoyIVYRIDGECHAPEL@groups.msn.com 
  
What's New
  Join Now
  Welcome  
  Meet our Pastor  
  Pastor's Corner  
  BELIEVE-CONFESS  
  Believe  
  CHAPEL NEWS  
  Message Board  
  Pray for America  
  U.S.A.  
  Prayer requests  
  Covenant with GOD  
  Bible Study  
  HEALING SCRIPTURES  
  your comments  
  Audio Bible  
  LINKS TO PRAYER SITES  
  TRUTH  
  Donations/Gifts  
  stronghold of cold love  
  the Clay  
  PSALMS 37:4  
  Bible verses  
  4 Spiritual Laws  
  Names of God reveal His Nature of Love  
  angels and the Word  
  Guest Book  
  Members  
  Announcements  
  Pictures  
  great links  
  Recommendations  
  Jeremiah's art  
  Art work courtesy of James Theopistos  
  pencil drawings of Christ  
  Just for fun  
  Rev. 14:14  
  credits  
  links to Billy Graham's web sites  
  Bible tracts  
  Christmas  
  Spiritual Gifts  
  All about Ivy Ridge  
  POEMS and SONGS  
  Just Jokes  
  
  
  Tools  
 
    

     Let’s Get Real About Angels----
                 and Men
 First some basic background material, remembering the old English word herb would include wheat and corn from which
 we make bread. I don’t know if you have ever made/baked bread, but if you have made or seen bread made you know for
 sure that the man wasn’t the only one of the family who had to sweat to produce bread. (Gen 3:18 KJV)  Thorns also and
 thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field
; (Gen 3:19 KJV)  In the sweat of thy face
 shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust
 shalt thou return.
 
 “thou shalt eat the herb of the field” Wait a minute, what’s changed? What did Adam and Eve eat before, that wasn’t the
 herbs of the field? The Tree Of Life must have had a Spiritual component and the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil
 certainly had a Spiritual component. And the presence and Word of God is always nourishing and they had His presence
 and His Word before. Jesus said, (Mat 4:4 KJV)  But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread
 alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
So this is a dramatic reduction in status for our first
 parents--- and for their and our enemy, the devil.
(Gen 3:14 KJV) 
And the LORD God said unto the serpent,
 Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou
 go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
  We don’tknow what the serpent or the devil ate before, either. And we
 still don’t know for certain what good angels eat.
But the devil, an ex-archangel, one of only three named angels, is reduced to eating human emotions, that is, the human life force.
 And he and his minions must lie, trick, deceive, and take advantage of humans to eat at all. Those “high” up in satan’s
 service are really only Judas goats leading others to slaughter.
 The devil no longer gets his food directly from God.
See: “What does the devil Eat?” Free on request via email.
 Before, man had used the power of God freely. Now he had to depend upon his own strength, his own hands, his own body,
 and eventually the natural extension of his body, his machines.
 But the power to drive the machines still had to be taken from
 the earth by the sweat of man, wood, coal, oil, and etc.
 After the “fall” then, man is limited to his physical strength,
 mental abilities and the materials on earth.
           Thankfully God
 continued to be love and mercy in the earth.
  And now the banishment of the devil from heaven is complete, his separation from the power of God is consummated.
 
 Now he must feed as a parasite on man and is limited to earth and its immediate vicinity. (prince of the power of the air and other scriptures) This is quite a fall for the ex-archangel, he certainly fell further than man did, even if he did think he won the battle.
 
                 GOOD ANGELS
 We have only a little information on the Angels of God, the Angel of the Lord, the Angel of death, and good angels generally, and yet there is considerably more information than is commonly known.
 
 Briefly (and certainly not completely)

 angels are messengers, destroyers, ministers (in the sense of helping) and guardians of men and children.
 
 Angels in the Bible ALWAYS appear as men with no wings or halos, but they are always recognized as angels by the persons they appear to.
   I believe most are familiar with these concepts and so will use only a few references.
 Messengers--- (Dan 9:21 KJV)  Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation. (Dan 9:22 KJV)  And
 he informed me, and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding.
 Just for fun, this same angel, Gabriel has feelings and can be
 surprised--- (Luke 1:18 KJV)  And Zacharias said unto the
 angel, Whereby shall I know this? for I am an old man, and
 my wife well stricken in years. (Luke 1:19 KJV)  And the angel answering said unto him, I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God; and am sent to speak unto thee, and to show thee these glad tidings.
 Or in today’s English, What’s
 wrong with you, boy? You think I would lie? I am Gabriel, I stand in the presence of God, how can you be dumb enough not
 to believe me and ask for a sign? But he catches himself very quickly and goes on--- “You want a sign, boy, you got it!”
 (Luke 1:20 KJV)  And, behold, thou shalt be dumb, and not able to speak, until the day that these things shall be performed, because thou believest not my words, which shall be fulfilled in their season.
 
 Destroyers--- (2 Ki 19:35 KJV)  And it came to pass that night, that the angel of the LORD went out, and smote in the camp of the Assyrians an hundred fourscore and five thousand: and when they arose early in the morning, behold,
 they were all dead corpses.   That’s 185,000 men killed in one night.
 (Acts 12:23 KJV)  And immediately the angel of the Lord smote him, because he gave not God the glory: and he was
 eaten of worms, and gave up the ghost.
 (Rev 9:15 KJV)  And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a
 year, for to slay the third part of men.
 
 Ministers--- (Mat 4:11 KJV)  Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him. (Heb
 1:13 KJV)  But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? (Heb 1:14 KJV)  Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
 
 Guards--- (Job 1:10 KJV)  Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath
 on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land. I don’t think this hedge was made out of bushes and trimmed regularly, this hedge was
 manned by angels.
 
 Guardians--- (Mat 18:10 KJV)  Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven
 their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.  This is the verse where we get the concept of “Guardian Angels”
 
 EVIL ANGELS
 Evil angels including the devil and his demons hinder, hurt,
 destroy, lie, steal, and kill and use/deceive men and women
 into doing the same things. Less is known about the devil as he
 prefers to remain invisible, blaming and teaching humans to
 blame all the bad stuff on God or man. Parasites, especially
 when discovered, are never welcomed by the host organism,
 and if the host is human, the parasites are killed. Would to
 God, the church at least, would wake up to the fact of the devil
 as a parasite feeding on the entire human race!
 
 DESTROY
 (Job 2:6 KJV)  And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, he is
 in thine hand; but save his life. (Job 2:7 KJV)  So went
 Satan forth from the presence of the LORD, and smote Job
 with sore boils from the sole of his foot unto his crown.
 Notice though in this whole story the devil was limited to only
 what he could get permission to do. The devil complained that
 the hedge God provided protected Job perfectly. (Job 1:10
 KJV)  Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about
 his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou
 hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is
 increased in the land.
 
 HINDER--- (Dan 10:12 KJV)  Then said he unto me, Fear
 not, Daniel: for from the first day that thou didst set thine
 heart to understand, and to chasten thyself before thy God,
 thy words were heard, and I am come for thy words. (Dan
 10:13 KJV)  But the prince of the kingdom of Persia
 withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of
 the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there
 with the kings of Persia. It took this angel 3 weeks to get past
 the hindrance of the evil angels and give Daniel the answer to
 his prayer.
 (2 Cor 11:14 KJV)  And no marvel; for Satan himself is
 transformed into an angel of light. He will also help and/or
 use men to appear as angels of light.
 (John 8:44 KJV)  Ye are of your father the devil, and the
 lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the
 beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no
 truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his
 own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
 (Eph 6:12 KJV)  For we wrestle not against flesh and blood,
 but against principalities, against powers, against the
 rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual
 wickedness in high places.
 The devil’s final humiliation is as the kings and men of earth
 see him as he really is -- (Isa 14:14 KJV)  I will ascend above
 the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. (Isa 14:15 KJV)  Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the
 sides of the pit. (Isa 14:16 KJV) 
 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
 And the final end of the devil and his angels and the men and
 women who believed his lies and obeyed him---
 Jesus is speaking here---(Mat 25:41 KJV)  Then shall he say also
 unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into
 everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: And then Jesus explains why--- (Mat 25:42 KJV)  For I was an
 hungered, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye
 gave me no drink: (Mat 25:43 KJV)  I was a stranger, and
 ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in
 prison, and ye visited me not. (Mat 25:44 KJV)
  Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an
 hungered, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in
 prison, and did not minister unto thee? (Mat 25:45 KJV)
 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you,
 Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did
 it not to me.
And so there will be no misunderstanding Jesus adds--- (Mat 25:46 KJV) ...
 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
 
 EVIL MEN AND NATURAL MEN
 
 Natural men are Ordinarily limited to one dimension, the
 seeable with natural eyes part of the earth and the heavens.
 (John 3:3 KJV)  Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily,
 verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he
 cannot see the kingdom of God.
 Evil, lazy, and passive men choose their final destiny. They
 choose it by their day to day decisions, actions and in-actions.
 While the final end of evil men is with the devil and his angels, it is not God’s will! (2 Pet 3:9 KJV) 
 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness;
 but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should
 perish, but that all should come to repentance.
 
 The reason for it all, the will of God, the reason God created it all and the final end of Godly men and women is --- 
 (John 4:23 KJV)  But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true
 worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth:
 for the Father seeketh such to worship him. (John 4:24 KJV)  God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
 God provides help for those who will receive it. Unfortunately most of those today who are claiming to be gifted are teaching that nobody’s perfect and thus negating the gifts of God---
 
The reason for our supernatural gifting is to perfect the saints so we can grow up into Him.(Eph 4:11 KJV)  And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; (Eph 4:12 KJV)  For the
 perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: (Eph 4:13 KJV)  Till we all
 come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the
 stature of the fulness of Christ: (Eph 4:14 KJV)  That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and
 carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to
 deceive; (Eph 4:15 KJV)  But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
 
 Our Father and Jesus want family that is to be/become one with Him. Jesus prayed for believers to be one with the Godhead. (John 17:15 KJV)  I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. (John 17:16 KJV)  They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. (John 17:17 KJV Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. (John 17:18 KJV)
 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. (John 17:19 KJV)  And for their
 sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
(John 17:20 KJV)  Neither pray I for
 these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word
; (John 17:21 KJV)  That they all may be
 one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast
 sent me.
(John 17:22 KJV)  And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are
 one:
(John 17:23 KJV)  I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
 (Eph 5:27 KJV)  That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such
 thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. He is coming for this glorious church.
 (Rev 3:21 KJV)  To him that overcometh will I grant to sit
 with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set
 down with my Father in his throne.
This is an offer to
 conquering believers to share God’s throne
 (1 Cor 2:9 KJV)  But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor
 ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the
 things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
 That is, for His family, those who love him. And while it is
 true that eye has not seen, we can have a taste, a deposit on
 heaven in this life. (Eph 1:13 KJV)  In whom ye also trusted,
 after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your
 salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were
 sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, (Eph 1:14 KJV)
 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the
 redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of
 his glory. He loves us so much that He gives us a deposit (that
 we can feel and others can see in us) on heaven when we truly
 receive the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.
 Graduates of the school of the Spirit are noticeable even in heaven. (Rev 19:10 KJV)  And I fell at his feet to worship
 him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of
 Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. He is not an angel, yet John the Apostle actually
 falls down at his feet to worship him.  He is not Jesus because he won't allow John to worship him. 
 He explains, "I am your fellow servant and of your brothers."
 Think how glorious this person must have been. 
 John the Apostle had seen Jesus Christ in the flesh and in the spirit.
 John was a worshipper of God and Jesus Christ.  He did not worship just anyone or anything, but this person "a fellow
 servant, one of us" is so glorious that the beloved Apostle falls down, to worship him, Wow!
 He is in fact one of us "finished" or at least more nearly finished than we are.  He is a human who exercised the option.
_______________________________________________________S c r i p t u r e
"For we know that if our earthly house, this tent, is destroyed, we have a
building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed with our habitation which is from heaven, if indeed, having been clothed, we shall not be found naked. For we who are in this tent groan, being burdened, not because we want to be unclothed, but further clothed, that mortality may be swallowed up by life.
 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee. So we are always
confident, knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent
from the Lord. For we walk by faith, not by sight. We are confident, yes,
well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the
Lord."
-(2 Corinthians 5:1-8 NKJV)
Notice: Microsoft has no responsibility for the content featured in this group. Click here for more info.
  Try MSN Internet Software for FREE!
    MSN Home  |  My MSN  |  Hotmail  |  Search
Feedback  |  Help  
  ©2005 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.  Legal  Advertise  MSN Privacy